Zomromcom by Olivia Dade

Your hosts continue their Spooky Month reading with Zomromcom, Olivia Dade’s delightful new zombie apocalypse vampire romcom. They talk about reasonable heroines, excellent romantic banter, and speed-running a relationship. They also discuss the practicalities of a burrito as a weapon against zombies.

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Transcript

Lilly 0:03

Hello and welcome to Fiction Fans, a podcast where we read books and other words too. I'm Lily

Sara 0:09

And I'm Sarah. And today we will be discussing Zomm Romcom by Olivia Dade. continuing our spooky month theme.

Lilly 0:18

and damn. Was I ready for this one? It was like a breath of fresh air.

Sara 0:22

it was a nice change of pace from the Handmaid's Tale.

Lilly 0:25

But before we get into that, what's something great that happened recently?

Sara 0:29

So I have a, making the best out of a bad situation thing. And also just a, a genuinely cute thing. The making the best out of a bad situation is that I have one more episode recording of this podcast with snoring before I say goodbye to him. That's this episode. I'm glad to have that. But the genuine, cute thing is dumpling loves tomatoes so much and it's darling.

Lilly 0:57

and I, I'm assuming that's one of the ones That's fine to give dogs then,

Sara 1:01

Yes.

Lilly 1:01

because I know carrots are like actually good for them.

Sara 1:04

Yeah. No tomatoes. Tomatoes are okay. I've never seen a pug who is that enthusiastic about tomatoes, but,

Lilly 1:11

like cherry tomatoes or chunks of, oh, does she just go face first into a giant tomato?

Sara 1:16

Well, she hasn't done that because I typically don't get giant tomatoes. She probably would. I did give her a tomato off of my plant and she swallowed it whole. She did not chomp. She just, uh, yeah, it was, it was gone immediately. that's her agreeing. If you heard that bark,

Lilly 1:42

I don't know what my good thing is. I should have thought of this.

Sara 1:45

hardest, hardest question. All podcast.

Lilly 1:48

Has anything ever happened to me in my life?

Sara 1:52

Clearly not.

Lilly 1:53

No, my brain is blank. I don't remember if I've talked about this on the podcast already. I might've. But we moved all of our house plants outside for a couple months over the summer, and it is now time to start bringing them inside. It's getting to be fall, but they are so healthy. I might start doing that every summer. Just give them a little vacation.

Sara 2:17

Nice.

Lilly 2:18

Yeah. My prayer plant flowered, I didn't even know they could do that.

Sara 2:22

Oh my.

Lilly 2:23

Yeah. So. back inside for the big, dark, cold, but you know,

Sara 2:30

Better than staying outside for the big, dark, cold.

Lilly 2:33

true. And what are we drinking tonight?

Sara 2:36

I am drinking a vegan blood bag, by which I mean box wine.

Lilly 2:43

Oh, I thought it was gonna be a bloody Mary.

Sara 2:45

No, that would've been good. I have, I have the means for Bloody Mary.

Lilly 2:50

You fucked up.

Sara 2:51

I did fuck up.

Lilly 2:53

It's okay.

Sara 2:53

I'm not even drinking the right color of wine too.

Lilly 2:56

Well, you could have lied.

Sara 2:58

I was going to, but the truth came out.

Lilly 3:01

My drink is actually more on theme than yours

Sara 3:04

Is it cider?

Lilly 3:06

Pomegranate juice.

Sara 3:07

Oh, pomegranate juice was gonna be, yeah, that was my other guess. It's, I had cider on the mind'cause I wanted to drink cider.

Lilly 3:13

Oh yeah. The hot mold cider that shows up in this book would've been really good.

Sara 3:17

Yeah, but I didn't have anything to make it so I didn't.

Lilly 3:22

No, in this book, Edie drinks pomegranate lime juice quite a bit, which sounds incredible. I don't have that. I just have a, a fizzy. Half sparkling water, half pomegranate thing, but I think it counts, so.

Sara 3:38

Very appropriate drink.

Lilly 3:39

Mm-hmm. And I, oh, I guess I have read something lately. Technically,

Sara 3:45

What have you read?

Lilly 3:46

it's our friend's babies' birthday, so we bought some children's books and so we went to Barnes and Noble and read like, because you have to, you know, pick out a good book. So I read a bunch of picture books to find a good one. And we ended up picking up, I need a new butt and dragons like tacos. You can guess which one I chose and which one my husband chose.

Sara 4:09

Yes, I can guess.

Lilly 4:11

How about you?

Sara 4:12

I've been continuing to read Tolkien's letters, which is starting to feel like a very unexciting answer for this question. I have not been doing our solstice reading, which I really need to start.

Lilly 4:26

Yeah. Hey, me too. Speaking of dragons, right?

Sara 4:30

Yes.

Lilly 4:31

Alright. But for today we read Zomm Romcom. Which was a late addition to spooky month. We had to rearrange our schedule a little bit. And you suggested the fly because I had been raving about it last year.

Sara 4:47

Well, you had mentioned last year that you wanted to do it for this spooky month and it got cut off the schedule for various reasons, so that was why I suggested it.

Lilly 4:57

I do still wanna read it, but I. Suggested and I stand by this suggestion that spooky month isn't actually horror. Right. You know, we can have books and at least one book, I think that is maybe has the trappings of Halloween in this case zombies

Sara 5:15

is more to my taste than yours

Lilly 5:18

I mean, this is a romance novel. It's trying to say romance isn't to my taste is a statement.

Sara 5:23

Okay. I guess, I guess what I'm saying is. Something that caters to both of our tastes rather than just the horror lover in this podcast.

Lilly 5:34

And fuck, I needed it. you recommended it, so thank you very much.

Sara 5:39

It's a fun book. I'd not read it. You had suggested some other books that are also similarly fun. Kind of spooky themed romance. But I had read those so I was like, I wanna do something, but I've not read, but have been meaning to read. And I did overall enjoy it. I was expecting something a little different, I think, and that kind of tempered my response to it.

Lilly 6:02

have you read work by Dade before?

Sara 6:04

No,

Lilly 6:05

Or just based on the summary, see, is I never read summaries.'cause I never have preconceived notions.

Sara 6:10

yeah, I think it was, it was just based on the summary plus like what I'd heard people mention about it in like bite-sized, you know, blue sky reviews or whatever. But overall,

Lilly 6:22

bite sized'cause it's zombies.

Sara 6:24

Unintentional punning there. But it's a fun book. Like I'm, I'm definitely glad that we read it and it's a nice change of pace from some of the other stuff that we've been reading The spooky month.

Lilly 6:36

Yes, it reminded me that I need to refill my disaster preparedness kit. So, if anyone else needs to do that, hey, you should do that.

Sara 6:47

You should, it's a good thing to do.

Lilly 6:49

That's the kind of chore because it doesn't technically have a deadline, right? It's just sometime before a disaster. So since there's no deadline, it's really hard for me to actually like do it,

Sara 6:59

I mean, I don't even have one I'm gonna admit. So

Lilly 7:02

girl.

Sara 7:03

I'm, I'm relying on my mother who has one and who lives a mile away from me.

Lilly 7:08

Yeah, that's pretty close.

Sara 7:10

it's, it's a bad idea to be clear, but it is what I'm doing.

Lilly 7:16

Well, we used our water jug while we went camping this summer on purpose, so that to force us to refresh it so that it wouldn't just be like years old water.

Sara 7:26

Yeah.

Lilly 7:27

But I do need to actually refill it. So, thank you book for reminding me. Zomm Romcom, as the title suggests, is a romantic comedy that takes place during a zombie apocalypse.

Sara 7:39

Yes.

Lilly 7:40

Well, I'm gonna call it a zombie invasion'cause it's, it's not exactly apocalyptic. There is still infrastructure, there's still infrastructure, there's still a functioning society.

Sara 7:54

I would say that it is a contained apocalypse because this, this zombie

Lilly 8:00

Event is what I called it in my, in

Sara 8:02

yeah, this, this zombie event has been contained essentially two. I'm gonna call it one city, but it's like there are concentric rings of wall around like what used to be a research facility, and that's where all of the zombies are. And outside of that space, the world continues on as normal.

Lilly 8:26

Which is a really interesting twist. On some of the classic zombie tropes, typically the, the survivor fortresses are contained and then the zombies are trying to get in from the outside. So having it be the other direction was like a really fun, fresh take. On that, it did bring up some questions like, why would anyone live next to the zombie containment center?

Sara 8:53

Those are answered though

Lilly 8:55

Yes. Housing prices.

Sara 8:57

housing prices familial connections and also great for the criminal underworld.

Lilly 9:05

Yep. There was also kind of a 28 days later vibe not, maybe not a vibe, but the zombies were created through. Like intentional science experiments and the first, what was it called? The first breach, I think,

Sara 9:23

something like that,

Lilly 9:24

when they, when they first got out and wreaked havoc on the community surrounding them

Sara 9:30

which happens. Like a decade before the events of this book. No more. Two. Yeah.

Lilly 9:37

This was caused by activists, which for those of you who haven't seen 28 days later recently, that's uh, yeah, I know. That is caused by there's a lab doing animal testing that has the virus, the rage virus, and animal rights activists release those animals, and that is what causes the initial outbreak. Now, you know, Sarah, I also started getting really persnickety because zombies are a special interest of mine and you really need to have an element of contagion for it to truly be zombies. So for a while at the beginning of this book, I was like, this is a really fun monster design. Like, I'm, I'm loving the plot in the world, but. If they just reproduce normally and they're created through experiments that's not zombie like, there has to be a fear of, of catching it. That's like very central, I think, to that concept. And it does end up being contagious. So I was like, excellent. Thank you.

Sara 10:39

But, there's not just zombies in this world. There's all kinds of supernatural. and honestly, it was kind of a lot there's, there's a lot going on in the world building of this world in just in the background. Like, not, not necessarily stuff that is too relevant. Some of it has relevance, but, it sometimes overpowered the story for me.

Lilly 11:03

It just drops in on you like a ton of bricks sometimes, like, I think when we're learning about how the zombies were first created. The book's like, oh yeah, the scientists made them to fight werewolves. And it's like, what?

Sara 11:18

Yeah, like it was, it was very, the rate of information or the rate at which we got information was kind of uneven, I felt.

Lilly 11:30

There's a lot of exposition in this book, and the world building is just kind of tossed at you. Coming from the Handmaid's Tale where the world building is so subtle and strung throughout the novel and the story itself, it felt very abrupt and different. after about, I would say 15% into the book, I read an ebook, so I know obnoxiously specific percentages. I was just on board. I was like, okay, this is gonna be extremely silly. You are going to tell me what's happening, and I am 100% on board because I, my brain needed this. But it does mean that I know that about 45% of the way through the book, apparently there's soulmates.

Sara 12:16

Yeah. There were just like,

Lilly 12:18

That broke me a little bit.

Sara 12:19

yeah there was just too much. Like if it had been one kind of bombshell revelation, I probably could have handled that. But there were a lot of bombshell revelations and not all of them. Do anything for the book. And so that was just too much for me. I wanted it to be a little smoother.

Lilly 12:41

Yeah, well it's interesting because the characters live in this world. They wouldn't need to be primed for a conversation about soulmates'cause it's just a world where soulmates exist. So in, in that sense, it is realistic. But as a reader, I, I wouldn't have minded a more curated experience.

Sara 13:01

Yeah. Yeah.

Lilly 13:04

More important than the Zam is the Rom

Sara 13:08

And the

Lilly 13:09

and the Calm. Our main character, ededie is an aggressively normal gal in a way that was delightful. Yes, she was great. the book establishes right away. Like she's a good person. She is not a hero. We see her trying to save her neighbor, and there's several lines in the book where it's like there is literally no one else who can help. It is her or nothing. Like just making sure, you know, like she, she's not she's not superman. She shouldn't be doing this, but she couldn't live with herself if she didn't. And that was just really nice.

Sara 13:47

Yeah, I mean, she's just like a nice neighbor. I want to live near her.

Lilly 13:52

Yeah.

Sara 13:54

She just seems like a nice person.

Lilly 13:56

Mm-hmm.

Sara 13:57

and she was fun to follow.

Lilly 14:00

Absolutely. And she was like really clever without it getting cringey. Like none of none of her quips felt forced.

Sara 14:08

Yeah

Lilly 14:09

and there, there were never like really overwrought one-liners that was like, no one would think of that in the moment. That's a shower thought from a week later.

Sara 14:19

and she's, she's also not hyper competent.

Lilly 14:23

Yeah.

Sara 14:24

Like she's competent but in a way that I felt a normal person would be not some perfect heroine for a romance novel.

Lilly 14:34

She's a normal guy girl, but like, you know, just some dude.

Sara 14:38

Yeah. She's just some dude.

Lilly 14:40

I really liked the banter between her and the love interest. Her neighbor Chad, when do we find out his other name?

Sara 14:49

I am, I'm pretty sure that it is on the back of the book.

Lilly 14:53

Okay, great,

Sara 14:54

so.

Lilly 14:55

so their banter just hit the tone perfectly for me. It's always lighthearted. It never gets too mean. They're just like kind of teasing each other back and forth, and it's two-sided, which I really needed.

Sara 15:11

I was gonna say they both participate in it.

Lilly 15:14

Yeah, and neither of them, well, like I said, hit below the belt. Like, they're both like pretty respectful about it. They're being silly. And then neither of them over, I don't know. It was just, this book was really nice.

Sara 15:28

Yeah.

Lilly 15:29

Edie is also super reasonable about the romance, like. I don't know a better way to explain that, but it, it's not like Insta love. She, she's just going, well, this guy's hot, so I'm not gonna complain.

Sara 15:47

I did actually really enjoy the romance. For the most part. I, I have a couple of minor quibbles with it, but, we'll talk about those in the spoiler section. but their romance was really cute.

Lilly 15:57

It was also aggressively non-problematic every time there is. So Max is a vampire, which we find out pretty early on. Or it's on the back of the book, so I

Sara 16:09

Yes. On, on the back of the book, we, we find that out before the book even starts. If you read the back of the book.

Lilly 16:15

Big if so, you know, super strength. He ends up manhandling, ededie a little bit, you know, pulling her to safety or trying to push her along when she's taking too long. And dad always makes sure that we know that he's being gentle and not hurting her, like no no gray area. He might have super strength, but he is not abusing it. And then also during all of the intimacy scenes, there is enthusiastic verbal consent and a moment where the prose stops and goes. Ededie knows that if she said no, he would stop, which it, I don't think I needed it every time.

Sara 16:55

I mean, honestly, I don't mind it because I think that there are enough like dark fantasy romance novels that go so hard. The other direction that it's nice to have this counterpoint of this is what a healthy relationship should look like,

Lilly 17:10

Yeah. I mean, it certainly didn't harm the flow or anything. I just noticed it.

Sara 17:15

it was, it was very obvious. But I don't think that's a bad thing.

Lilly 17:19

No, and I think that just. Was part of the overall tone of this book, which was, it is fun. It will not make you feel bad while you are reading it.

Sara 17:29

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. This is, I mean, despite the, like zombie setting this is very much a feel good book.

Lilly 17:39

Yes. Who should read this book? If you wanna get into the Halloween vibes, but don't wanna stress yourself out. And if you like romance,

Sara 17:48

Yeah, if you're looking for a spooky month low, low, scary emphasis on the spooky romance novel, this is great.

Lilly 17:56

yeah, if you do like zombie stories and all of the sort of tropes that come along with those monsters. I do think, you know, it acknowledged the pillars that you expect to see, but still did it kind of in its own way without making it so strange that you're like, this isn't zombies anymore.

Sara 18:18

I will have to, rely on your expert opinion for that because I am not a zombie person.

Lilly 18:25

oh, this book takes place during the holidays, which I think it told me a couple of times before I actually picked up on that. But non-specific winter holidays and also all the cursing was nonspecific like by the gods and goddesses, which was also just kind of nice and enjoyable.

Sara 18:45

Well, and it sounded like Gods and goddesses were really a thing, maybe because they can choose people. Ededie has a couple of moments where she's like, do I have divine favor? Now? It'd be a great time for it to kick in. So that may have an impact on the the, the cursing as well.

Lilly 19:03

but it's also just nice to separate it from our society a little bit.

Sara 19:07

Yeah,

Lilly 19:08

Oh, but the, the holiday thing, I think this could be a really fun winter read too, because of that. there's some nice like cozy winter vibes.

Sara 19:15

I agree. If you are in the mood to curl up with a mold cider, like this is a good book for that under a nice, cozy blanket in front of a fireplace.

Lilly 19:27

Absolutely.

Sara 19:32

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Lilly 19:35

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Sara 19:43

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Lilly 19:50

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Sara 19:57

The remainder of this episode contains spoilers. Since we're in spoiler time now, the one issue that I had with the romance which I mentioned earlier, was that Max is really, really. Grumpy. He's like the stereotypical antisocial vampire in most respects, except when it comes to Edie. And we do get kind of an explanation for, for that. Like, he's got a tragic backstory. His parents died when he was young. His ex-girlfriend tried to set him on fire et cetera, et

Lilly 20:41

set him on fire, tried to kill him.

Sara 20:44

Yes, did set him on fire. But apparently the reason why he is so obsessed with ED and why he treats her so differently is literally only that she was. Nice to him when they were living next to each other, and I just needed a little bit more than that. Like if he had come to really love her over the course of their time together, I'd be. Entirely down with that because Ededie is so lovable. But it just didn't seem like they had interacted enough prior to the events of this novel for him to have that level of obsession with her already from the get go.

Lilly 21:26

I also think that kind of undercuts the relationship that we see develop. Like he's not actually warming up to her over time, which is what it seems like at first. It turns out he's always been obsessed with her. That kind of like

Sara 21:41

Yeah, it just,

Lilly 21:42

the buzz.

Sara 21:43

it, it flattens the relationship just a little bit.

Lilly 21:46

Now, if he had had a soft spot for her because she was a, a good neighbor and a a weird quirky gal, that would've been fun. And so that's why he gave her a chance. And then as he got to know her, he fell in love with her. That would've been nice.

Sara 21:59

Yes, I would've, I would've been entirely on board with that. But that, I think that goes back to my point about the relationship developing as the events of this book develop, rather than he's already head over heels in love with her and she has to fall in love,

Lilly 22:15

Yeah. And then we just find out that, yeah, he was just reluctant about it in the beginning, but I, yeah. Yeah, I, that didn't really work for me either. The book also spends a really long time with him going, I don't believe in Love and attachment and Ededie going. Welp guess our relationship's just casual, which was fine for like a little bit, but it goes on for way too long. He tries to die to save her more than once, and she just like doesn't make that connection.

Sara 22:49

Yeah, it's fine in the beginning. And then he literally like takes a zombie, you know, full frontal to keep it from getting to at her. And at that point you're like, come on Ededie, you are smarter than this. You have a lot of emotional awareness and intelligence. Like you can put these dots together.

Lilly 23:10

Yeah, because it's, he doesn't even say, I don't believe in love. He's like, I. It's all or nothing. I'm either willing to die for someone or I don't care about them at all. And she's like, oh, okay. I guess we're just casual. And it's like he is clearly willing to die for you. Read the room. I really liked though. So there's, I don't wanna say a subplot, but one of the aspects of this book is that there are internet influencers. Edie is friends with some that are particularly well known.

Sara 23:43

They're kind of in the maker space because Edie makes soap.

Lilly 23:46

Yes. And then we find out that Max is an influencer a fashion slash makeup influencer who just posts thirst traps basically. And it was really interesting how that's used by the book to kind of defang his hotness. If you don't mind the pun. Because he's supposed to be this stunningly perfect, gorgeous specimen, but because he puts on silly outfits and eyeliner to strut around for the camera, it gets to be kind of a joke. And so it's not intimidating because Edie's just like a normal person.

Sara 24:21

Yeah, I did like how even though, max is this incredibly attractive man or vampire, it does bring him down to a normal level. Kind of like, sure, he's really hot, but he is just a person.

Lilly 24:41

And he's not weird about it. Like she makes fun of the outfits that he puts on and he's like, well, I looked great in them. You know, like, that was part of the banter that I think like turned out so, so well in this book.

Sara 24:54

And like they joke about how, oh, you don't subscribe to me, but you've downloaded a couple of my videos. And she's like, yeah, but I only know about the ones that, that my friends mentioned. Those are the only ones I cared about. Like, it just, it added a layer to their yeah, to their banter in relationship.

Lilly 25:11

And she, she doesn't even admit she is open about the, how does it come up about. She saved the videos of him because he's hot. Like she has a spank bank on her phone of him. She didn't realize it was him at the time. I think we should clarify. She didn't realize that this influencer was her neighbor until partway through the

Sara 25:32

Well, but No, but, but doesn't she say that she had downloaded these videos but never watched them before and she watches them after she realizes that he is the influencer.

Lilly 25:43

No, I, cause she. Has to have seen them in order to recognize him.

Sara 25:48

But I thought, I thought she talked about not having watched a, all of them or something.

Lilly 25:52

Well, she definitely hasn't seen all of his videos. I think she's only seen the ones she has downloaded.

Sara 25:57

But I thought she talked about like watching some of the ones that she had downloaded for the first time when they're when they're in like the abandoned mall or something.

Lilly 26:08

I don't remember. I don't think it matters too much.

Sara 26:12

it really doesn't,

Lilly 26:14

I'm gonna see if I can find it. Oh, I can't jump to the part. In this app, ugh.

Sara 26:21

Maybe if I look, look for download. Yes, a year or two back when Brad and Tanya had been trying to convince Ededie to appear on their channel, they had sent samples of their most popular content to her, including a few videos inspired by and featuring clips from Max's own channel and with only the slightest twinge of shame. Ededie had downloaded several of those videos onto her phone because Wowa and then promptly forgotten about them. Had she ever actually looked at the downloads again? Not that she remembered. Okay, so, so she had, she'd. She'd watched them the first time when they were sent to her. Yes. But she hadn't watched them on her phone

Lilly 26:57

You're right. So calling them a spank bank was wrong.

Sara 26:59

yeah, yeah.

Lilly 27:01

But I mean, that was the intention of downloading them.

Sara 27:05

Yes.

Lilly 27:06

It was right in spirit.

Sara 27:08

We, we were both halfway there.

Lilly 27:11

so we get that moment and then she's watching them and he's right there. And of course. In my gut, I was like, oh no, this is gonna be weird. And it's not

Sara 27:20

It is really not,

Lilly 27:22

it like she's not weird about it. She's like, yeah, clearly you know, you're hot. That's why you're posting these videos.

Sara 27:29

and he's not weird about it.

Lilly 27:31

Yeah, so I really, really enjoyed that

Sara 27:34

It just, they, they had such a good like the, the tenor of their relationship was just so good.

Lilly 27:42

And then at one point he mentions all of the men and women he slept with. And, you know, he's been alive for, we never find out how long. And so of course, he slept with a bunch of people. And all vampires are pansexual, apparently. Which I mean Canon,

Sara 27:56

Yeah, obviously.

Lilly 27:58

And there's a moment where Ededie goes. Should I be jealous? Nah, he's great in bed. Thanks guys. Guys and gals.

Sara 28:07

Yeah, there's, there's no sex shaming. And like when they have conflict or when things are revealed about his backstory that he is worried will look bad to her. She takes a minute and is like, yeah, this sounds bad at first, at first jump, but I trust you so I'm gonna listen to what you say and not jump to conclusions. And they actually like. Adults about things. It's so nice.

Lilly 28:34

Revolutionary.

Sara 28:36

Yeah, it's just, it's wholesome.

Lilly 28:39

This book also has a couple of sex scenes that are a plus. Very nice.

Sara 28:45

I mean, it's a romance novel. It's got sex scenes.

Lilly 28:48

I mean, some romance novels are like, and they kiss and then it fades to black.

Sara 28:52

Okay. Most of the romance novels that I have read are quite explicit.

Lilly 28:58

And not all sex scenes are creative equal,

Sara 29:00

Very true.

Lilly 29:01

Vulva is an underutilized word. People should use it more. It's a good one.

Sara 29:06

Yeah. Dade writes good sex scenes.

Lilly 29:09

Mm-hmm. Also shot is French for pussy. I know that slang.

Sara 29:14

I did not, but I picked up on it pretty quickly.

Lilly 29:17

Well, yeah, the French in this book was interesting. So Max is French, so he uses some French sprinkled throughout for pet names and things. That was fine. And then also the zombies speak French.

Sara 29:33

Which they got from watching the French equivalent made up of course of Dora the explorer.

Lilly 29:41

and there was something weirdly heartbreaking about them knowing like Bonjour and Bon Appetit and nothing else. I, and I think that's actually not the French, I think it was that they. Do you have some language skills? Like that implies that there is a level of intelligence there that you don't always see with zombies.

Sara 30:06

I mean it, but it seemed like it was kind of just like vestigial, right? Like they don't, because at one point there's a mind reader who tries to mind read a zombie and there isn't anything there that they can. Communicate with

Lilly 30:24

I felt like it was implied that there was something there. It was just so inhuman. It was, and like very minimal, but any, anyway, it doesn't, it was sad.

Sara 30:35

I, the, the origin story of the zombies is sad in this book.

Lilly 30:40

And Ededie does address, she feels bad that they're murdering them for no reason and Max is like, it's not no reason. And she's like, yeah, okay, fine.

Sara 30:49

Yeah. But, and I like that they have that conversation because it absolutely makes sense that EE is gonna be sad about it given how empathetic she is. But when presented with the evidence of, yeah, if we don't do this, they're gonna murder everyone. And it's gonna be a true zombie apocalypse. She's like, yeah, okay. I see your point. I'm not gonna let my feelings get in the way of practicality.

Lilly 31:16

Reasonable preemptive strike.

Sara 31:19

Yes, Edie is a really reasonable human being.

Lilly 31:23

Mm-hmm. Ooh, speaking of empathy, I loved Doug so much.

Sara 31:28

Doug is a minor character who is working with the group of Counterfeiters, and he is indeed the literal best.

Lilly 31:36

I just so goofy and, this book is very silly, but moments like Doug, I think were the silliness being used perfectly because our main characters are taking shelter in a mall, which also classic zombie move. But the mall is the territory of this group of Neir Du Wells counterfeiters, and there's a confrontation and they're not totally sure how they're gonna get out of it. They are totally trespassing. But then Doug is just so relentlessly pleasant and. Airhead.

Sara 32:18

Well, but he kind of makes things worse in a way. I mean, and don't get me wrong, I love Doug, but max and Edie are like. We don't need to know the details. We don't know anything about your operation. We'll, just skedaddle and Doug keeps spilling secrets about the operation to the point where they're like, oh shit, we know too much.

Lilly 32:41

No, it, he definitely made things worse for the characters. I'm saying my experience as a reader,

Sara 32:47

Okay. Yeah. Fair. Fair.

Lilly 32:50

I mean it's, it's comic relief in a book that's already comedic.

Sara 32:54

Yeah, he also seems like a really good cook.

Lilly 32:57

Yeah, so much food just shows up because of him.

Sara 33:02

Yep. I wanted all of it, Although I'm not sure how they get fresh fish for good sushi.

Lilly 33:10

I mean, there is clearly still a supply chain.

Sara 33:14

Yeah, but they're in the middle of the, like the containment zone in an abandoned mall.

Lilly 33:21

Oh, I mean, I assume it was frozen.

Sara 33:24

Yeah. I, I don't know. It just, it seemed a little weird that they could have such high quality sushi in the scene. All I'm saying.

Lilly 33:33

when Doug showed up with some pals at the end when all seemed lost, that did make me cry. I might have just been having a day, but

Sara 33:42

It was a nice moment. They needed the help and they weren't expecting Doug and friends to, to show up, so it was a nice moment.

Lilly 33:50

it was nice.

Sara 33:52

The one thing about this book that I will say, and I, I wish that we could have shared this in the nons spoiler section because I do think it's relevant, but also it is definitely a spoiler is that this book is not really a self-contained romance novel. Like I was expecting it to be wrapped up by the end of this book. And it, it doesn't, there's a second book dad in an author's note at the end says there's gonna be a second book and it does do the traditional like romance thing of switching main characters for the second book, but it picks up immediately. The, it, it picks up immediately after the events of Zam romcom and Zam Romcom doesn't really have. I mean, it has a conclusion. But there are some major things left unresolved. Like there's a whole conspiracy that, that they are trying to address or that they learn about and are trying to address, and they have not addressed it at all.

Lilly 34:53

No, it, it felt like Dade intended the arc of this book to be, why did the zombies get out? Oh, because of a conspiracy. And I guess the next book is gonna be exploring that conspiracy. But yeah, I really wanted more from that.

Sara 35:10

Yeah, I, I wanted it to be a novel that you could read without needing a second, a second part.

Lilly 35:16

I actually don't think I need a second part. Our main characters, their love story wrapped up and

Sara 35:23

you're, you're right, the romance is resolved. But I wanted the, the background world stuff to be resolved too.

Lilly 35:29

yeah, and honestly, Gwen gets introduced. Maybe the last 30% of the book ish.

Sara 35:37

Yeah, I would say

Lilly 35:38

And I remember thinking, what is her deal? Why is she here, and why am I supposed to care about her? And the answer is because she's the main character of the second book. But that's not really enough for me.

Sara 35:53

I mean that I just kind of, view as typical romance like progression because romance novels do usually follow the, a different character. So I'm fine with that.

Lilly 36:05

Oh no, but I'm, but I mean, her inclusion in this book felt forced.

Sara 36:10

I liked her as a character in this book.

Lilly 36:15

She had way too much page time.

Sara 36:18

I wouldn't necessarily, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily have pinned her as the main character of book two.

Lilly 36:25

Well, in retrospect, it's obvious because there is no reason to give her that much page time unless you're trying to make me care about her, to lure me into Book two,

Sara 36:34

Yeah. Yeah,

Lilly 36:35

I think is, is what I'm trying to say.

Sara 36:37

yeah

Lilly 36:38

but it didn't, I, that was just not enough. I still don't really care about her.

Sara 36:43

yeah.

Lilly 36:44

it was not a compelling enough character introduction for me to go. I will read a whole book about this person.

Sara 36:50

I mean, I, I do think that her romance with, or I'm assuming eventual romance with her, half demon, parent, enemy frenemy, whatever, would be interesting. I'd probably read book two at some point, but it's not one of those books where I was so invested in either the characters or what was happening. To read book two which sounds like an indictment of book one, but it's, it's not. I did, I did enjoy book one. I did enjoy Za romcom.

Lilly 37:25

Yeah, book one is about ededie and it was great and I bet book two will make Gwen great. It's just her like sticking out like a sore thumb in this book kind of turned me off.

Sara 37:37

I didn't think she was that much of a sore thumb, but.

Lilly 37:40

Well agree to disagree.

Sara 37:43

As usual. It's not fiction fans if we don't disagree. One thing I did really enjoy about this book though, is that Jade includes some book discussion questions at the end,

Lilly 37:54

And we would be remiss if we did not address those.

Sara 37:57

Which, which is not necessarily like an unusual thing to do per se, except that these questions are much more delightful than usual. And also this section in the book is titled Extremely Serious and Important Discussion Questions. The first one is under what circumstances is eating a cold burrito acceptable, even after it's been used to swat a zombie snout? If you were designing a burrito as a zombie fighting weapon, what toppings would you choose?

Lilly 38:30

Well, the first answer is obviously, yeah. I hate cold burritos all the time,

Sara 38:36

I, yeah, so do I.

Lilly 38:38

like non-issue.

Sara 38:40

I had a cold burrito yesterday morning or half a cold burrito yesterday morning. Not an issue at all. I don't know what Max is thinking.

Lilly 38:49

The other part of that, after it's been used to smack a zombie in the face, I do think relies entirely on the constitution of the wrapping.

Sara 39:00

Yes. How intact is that tinfoil?

Lilly 39:04

Yeah,

Sara 39:05

But as Ededie points out, the tinfoil is fine.

Lilly 39:11

I find that hard to believe that, I mean, this is a romance novel, so it's allowed to have some play with reality. Maybe it was double wrapped, I don't know. But a single layer of aluminum foil I don't think would hold up.

Sara 39:24

Yeah, maybe not, but like my burritos are frequently double wrapped, so I could see. I could see it being just fine.

Lilly 39:32

or maybe it's one of those parchment paper on the inside, aluminum foil on the outside. I think that would probably also hold up and be acceptable.

Sara 39:39

Yeah. But as long as no actual tortilla touched, zombie, I think it's fine.

Lilly 39:46

Yeah. Agreed.

Sara 39:48

And even, even if to tortilla touched zombie, can't you just like cut out the spot and then eat it?

Lilly 39:56

I think that depends on how contagious zombie is.

Sara 39:59

Okay, so it, it, the book says that you have to exchange fluids,

Lilly 40:05

Yeah. Eating goop is probably an exchange of fluid.

Sara 40:08

right? But if it, if it just touches zombie, I mean, if the zombie isn't bleeding, a burrito is not going to make it bleed.

Lilly 40:17

Right. That's true.

Sara 40:18

So presumably there's not gonna be, I mean, I guess if you smack it like straight in the mouth, maybe you should just throw it away. But but if you're, if you're hitting it in the shoulder or something and it's not bleeding and it's not covered in, in other zombie goo,

Lilly 40:36

The specific question is hit in the sout, so I do think the face is involved.

Sara 40:42

True.

Lilly 40:43

Yeah, if if it's not a particularly oozing zombie, I think you're probably

Sara 40:47

Yeah, it chomps your burrito, don't eat the burrito.

Lilly 40:52

Yes, agreed. How would you design a zombie fighting burrito? I think you gotta go for heft.

Sara 41:00

I mean, I'm gonna say I design it the same way I design an eating burrito because my goal is to eat the burrito afterwards.

Lilly 41:09

Yes. Ah, but see, my answer is twofold because I think beans are one of the heaviest things you can put into a burrito. And also my favorite part of the burrito.

Sara 41:17

I always put beans in my burrito anyway, so,

Lilly 41:20

But see, like if there's too much rice, I think that would be too light. So you'd want like a heavy bean to rice ratio.

Sara 41:26

Hmm.

Lilly 41:27

Cheese would also be good, and I love salsa and cilantro, but I don't know if that would be dense enough.

Sara 41:34

Maybe, but I don't think you can make a burrito dense enough to actually make a difference. So I'm, I think I'm gonna stick with my regular burrito order, which is everything

Lilly 41:47

I

Sara 41:48

except sour cream.

Lilly 41:50

I know that the question specifies toppings, but again, I really think the wrap is going to be the most important qualification here.

Sara 41:58

Yeah, I agree. You definitely want it to be double wrapped at minimum.

Lilly 42:03

Mm-hmm.

Sara 42:04

Preferably maybe triple wrapped.

Lilly 42:06

Yep. And if you can do like part paper, part aluminum foil, that would probably be good.

Sara 42:11

Yeah. And maybe if you can like wrap it to a stick or something, something hard that'll take the impact.

Lilly 42:19

We're losing burrito shape here.

Sara 42:21

It's still a burrito. It's just a burrito wrapped to a

Lilly 42:25

bowl in a really sharp bowl and throw it at the zombie like a Frisbee.

Sara 42:30

Okay? But then, then the bowl breaks and you lose all of your burrito ingredients.

Lilly 42:36

That's true. That's true.

Sara 42:37

Like I do want to eat this burrito afterwards.

Lilly 42:40

Yeah, I, I think attaching it to a stick would be counterproductive because then you'd be hitting with it so hard that you would be more likely to break it open

Sara 42:49

You are probably right about that. On the other

Lilly 42:52

you hit stick side first. In which case, that's just a stick. Now, why did you attach your burrito to it in the first place,

Sara 42:58

I mean, I, I was imagining hitting stick side first.

Lilly 43:02

And then the burrito's superfluous.

Sara 43:04

yes, but on the other hand you're probably safer from the zombie than if you were just hitting it with burrito sun stick.

Lilly 43:12

Well, yeah, but if you have a stick, why would you attach your burrito to it? Keep your burrito safe and on your person. This was specifically a scenario where she had no other weapon.

Sara 43:22

She did. It's true. It was, it was just her burrito and she acknowledges how ridiculous it is to attack a zombie with a burrito, but it was what she had, so she was going for it.

Lilly 43:33

You know what they say if it's stupid and it works. It's not stupid.

Sara 43:37

Does it work though? Not really.

Lilly 43:39

Neither of them die.

Sara 43:41

Yeah, but not because of her burrito.

Lilly 43:43

I thought it was the distraction that made the zombie stop sneaking up on Chad and turn for her instead.

Sara 43:50

It is, but he doesn't, he kind of imply that he knew that the, the zombie was there.

Lilly 43:55

Yeah, but she didn't know that.

Sara 43:56

No, she didn't know that. Her actions are entirely understandable, but it's also not the burrito that distracts the zombie necessarily because he already knew that the zombie was there and it didn't need distraction.

Lilly 44:10

Well, no, but that that doesn't mean the burrito didn't distract the zombie. That just meant that she didn't have to distract the zombie.

Sara 44:16

Yeah. Okay. I, I guess that's, maybe we're just splitting hairs though.

Lilly 44:20

No,

Sara 44:21

didn't need to waste her burrito. I mean, she doesn't waste her burrito. She eats it afterwards. But he would've been okay without the burrito.

Lilly 44:28

Right. I mean, in that case she should have just completely ignored it and God sucks to suck, had gone home. But in the world where he's not a vampire and did need saving the burrito was a useful tool.

Sara 44:41

yes, but if he wasn't a vampire, they both probably would've been dead. Even with the burrito,

Lilly 44:47

But not in fault of the burrito.

Sara 44:50

not because of the burrito. No. Unless, I mean, I guess one could argue that it was the fault of the burrito for not being a cleaver or something, but.

Lilly 45:01

Oh, that's just unfair blame.

Sara 45:02

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Lilly 45:11

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Sara 45:21

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Lilly 45:28

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Sara 45:34

Thanks again for listening, and may your zombies always be defeated. Bye.

Lilly 45:40

You shocked me, but I liked it.

Sara 45:42

It was a last minute edition, but I felt it was appropriate

Lilly 45:46

I'm flying by the seat of our pants.

Sara 45:48

as usual.